3 4* crystals opened, 3 duplicates

What the hell is going on? I opened 3 4* crystals this month and all of them gave me dupes
But the strange this is I got 3 of my first 4* bots. Here's the order: Bludgeon, Rhinox and Ratchet
Bludgeon is my first bot, Rhinox was second, Ratchet was third
This is not random! This is a bug! So don't try to respond by saying "It's just random, better luck next time"
I bet my next bot will be a duped Windblade

Comments

  • Hired_GoonHired_Goon Posts: 417
    I fail to see what the problem is. And yeah, guess what, random is random. Bludgeon and Rhinox are solid dupes.
  • StreetFighterStreetFighter Posts: 157
    edited January 18
    Nice dupes, I hope you like them. Yup, the drop rate is not 100% random. As I understand from Kabam's tutorials, it insures balance in the game between all players. My guess not all parts of the drop rate is random. 100% randomizer maybe will create a mess?!
  • Gunz0Gunz0 Posts: 536
    Thanks, but if I keep duping my 4* bots, I won't be able to have a full 4* team
  • What do you mean by full? All 31 4* bots? I wonder if anyone has a full list of all available 4* bots in 4* crystal.
  • Mark174Mark174 Posts: 33
    What do you mean by full? All 31 4* bots? I wonder if anyone has a full list of all available 4* bots in 4* crystal.

    I know one person who has full 31 4* bots. Maybe he will make a channel on Youtube soon.
  • Gunz0Gunz0 Posts: 536
    What do you mean by full? All 31 4* bots? I wonder if anyone has a full list of all available 4* bots in 4* crystal.
    I meant a questing team full of 4* bots, it's not happening if the crystals keep bugging
  • StreetFighterStreetFighter Posts: 157
    edited January 18
    That's cool. Do you know the highest dup level his bots have or at least from top 3?
  • ManthroManthro Posts: 1,301
    Hang on, let me put on my tinfoil hat and read this thread again...





    Just as I thought, still no conspiracy.
  • ManthroManthro Posts: 1,301
    Nice dupes, I hope you like them. Yup, the drop rate is not 100% random. As I understand from Kabam's tutorials, it insures balance in the game between all players. My guess not all parts of the drop rate is random. 100% randomizer maybe will create a mess?!

    I'd love to see where you saw this, LOL. In the Kabam tutorial? I think not.
  • StreetFighterStreetFighter Posts: 157
    edited January 18
    Manthro wrote: »
    I'd love to see where you saw this, LOL. In the Kabam tutorial? I think not.

    From the game when you click on support link put in search "drop rate". Check out the "drop rate issue". Support link located in settings. Same place where is the link to sign up for the forum. And yeah, surprisingly Kabam has tutorials. Some kinda:) That's why the guys doing great thing by putting up info together.
    https://forums.transformersforgedtofight.com/discussion/2861/working-on-a-spreadsheet-of-bots-mods-pairing-but-needing-some-art

  • I think we can say it's random, but the bots list are not in normal distribution. I would say It's something like log-normal distribution, where the Brawler especially MV1 has least chance to get it. Otherwise, they won't offer only 4* MV1 in energon store, if he has same drop rate like others.
  • StreetFighterStreetFighter Posts: 157
    edited January 18
    Well, top bots are hard to get. I mean the chances to pull them are lower the other bots. I know that from my experience. I would say it's logical.
  • Mark174Mark174 Posts: 33
    That's cool. Do you know the highest dup level his bots have or at least from top 3?

    His highest dup level bots - shockwave and hot rod - 30 level.
  • kelsuskelsus Posts: 38
    edited January 18
    Out of the 19 4* bots I own, the 3 that were first duped are also the first three I obtained (Prowl x3, Soundwave x2, OP G1 x2) .

    I only have one other duped 4* (Drift x2).

    I don't think it's random either - but I'm not complaining, I like the dupes I have.
  • StreetFighterStreetFighter Posts: 157
    edited January 18
    Mark174 wrote: »
    That's cool. Do you know the highest dup level his bots have or at least from top 3?

    His highest dup level bots - shockwave and hot rod - 30 level.

    Thanx! Wow, that's a lot of 4* pulling:) Invite him in to the forum. He can definitely show off with his army:)
  • Mark174Mark174 Posts: 33
    Mark174 wrote: »
    That's cool. Do you know the highest dup level his bots have or at least from top 3?

    His highest dup level bots - shockwave and hot rod - 30 level.

    Thanx! Wow, that's a lot of 4* pulling:) Invite him in to the forum. He can definitely show off with his army:)

    Well, I'll let him know about this idea :)
  • KillMasterCKillMasterC Posts: 810
    My first and second 4* are both Grindor. So I share the findings as some of you above. It's not uniformly distributed
  • ManthroManthro Posts: 1,301
    Manthro wrote: »
    I'd love to see where you saw this, LOL. In the Kabam tutorial? I think not.

    From the game when you click on support link put in search "drop rate". Check out the "drop rate issue". Support link located in settings. Same place where is the link to sign up for the forum. And yeah, surprisingly Kabam has tutorials. Some kinda:) That's why the guys doing great thing by putting up info together.
    https://forums.transformersforgedtofight.com/discussion/2861/working-on-a-spreadsheet-of-bots-mods-pairing-but-needing-some-art

    Wait.. you're talking about this?

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    Sorry, but you are grossly misinterpreting what this says. It does not say "drop rates are fixed to drop bots in sequential order". It says drop rates are what they are so that no one player gets a better chance over another player buying the same item/crystal, etc.

    Now I'm sure someone is gonna show up and say "well, Kabam knows how to fix the drop rates because the 1* bots drop in order of the ones you currently do not have."

    This has only ever been observed of the 1* bots. No one has been able to show the same level of drop rate control with any other tier bots.

    If this was true of all the other tier bots, no one would get a duplicate until they had the entire bot roster in each tier.
  • StreetFighterStreetFighter Posts: 157
    edited January 18
    @Manthro , I never said anything about the order. I said that drop rate is not 100% random and it balanced between all players. I think I didn't pay much attention to everything and it looks like different crystals has different drop rate maybe. Premiums has different drop rates compared to 4* crystals. And again maybe. I attached another topic where drop rate explained.
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    It's from "4-star bots" topic. I think I misinterpreted this part:
    They were implemented to ensure a maintained balance between the opportunity to obtain valued items, their rarity and the integrity of those items as well.
  • Manthro wrote: »
    Now I'm sure someone is gonna show up and say "well, Kabam knows how to fix the drop rates because the 1* bots drop in order of the ones you currently do not have."

    This has only ever been observed of the 1* bots. No one has been able to show the same level of drop rate control with any other tier bots.

    No, 1* still random and not guaranteed drop in sequence.

    I have 50x 1* crystal once. I forged all 1* and open 10x crystal. It gives me 4 class only. I have to open another 3 crystal to get 2 missing class.
  • KittenPrimeKittenPrime Posts: 569
    Hmm seems like you have a serious problem here.. let me redirect you to the mcoc forum :smiley:
  • Hmm seems like you have a serious problem here.. let me redirect you to the mcoc forum :smiley:

    lol sure, but I would like more facts and less opinions:)
  • nomisunomisu Posts: 307
    i am dying for a dupe (featured bot chips, man!)... but aside from my current top 3 and also mixmustard, i am not getting any so far =\

  • DirculesDircules Posts: 461
    What do you mean by full? All 31 4* bots? I wonder if anyone has a full list of all available 4* bots in 4* crystal.

    Yes.


  • Hey there Gunz0, I'm sorry to hear you're unhappy with the Bots you received from opening these 4-Star Crystals. While there are various Bots available in the game, receiving a different one from every Crystal you open is not guaranteed. Rest assured however, obtaining duplicate Bots is not a bug. Any Bots or items received from a Crystal are completely random and the items or Bots already in your account are not taken into consideration when you open a new Crystal. You may receive a duplicate of something you already have, or you may receive a completely new item or Bot!

    As was mentioned earlier in this thread, you can find information on Crystal drop rates by visiting our Support Knowledge base. In-game, tap the gear in the upper left hand corner of your Base screen, then choose “Support”. From a computer, you can also review information by clicking here!

    Should you have additional feedback on drop rates, please use the form provided at the link above. Closing this thread.
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