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Let's CALMLY discuss Galvatron miniboss
Manthro
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Look, obviously players are beating him, but I don't think there is anyone that doesn't agree how ridiculous his AI is in AM.
I remember @Kabam Miike mentioning he is dodgy because he wants to charge up dark energy, so I tested I theory and just stood and blocked to get him to charge up to 30.
He is just as much of a spaz once charged up as when he is not. The difference between Galvatron AI and every other boss, including Megatron, is completely off the charts.
It's not that he is difficult... It's that he is incredibly more difficult than anything else on that map.
Salt in the wound is he seems to allow specific types of attacks through when he has that exact resistance up, like a giant middle finger in your face, lol.
When you charge your s1 you are practically forced to just throw it immediately regardless where you are and eat a counter combo or slowly die. Having this "HP regen" on s2 and s3 is a Red Herring if I've ever seen one, haha.
Seriously... Does anyone here think he is just fine and should be left alone as is?
Constructive criticism only please, if anyone thinks he's just fine, I'm not gonna argue with you... But I'd like to hear some feedback on this.
The root of the problem to me is his AI in AM. it's like trying to fight Barricade with his evade permanently on while he's on crack. There are answers to evade, but there isn't much of an answer to natural dodging.
Galvatron doesn't seem to act that way in any other game mode. While the buff to galvatron is welcome on the player end of things, I believe it is going to cause a massive imbalance in AM once that update goes live.
Thoughts?
I remember @Kabam Miike mentioning he is dodgy because he wants to charge up dark energy, so I tested I theory and just stood and blocked to get him to charge up to 30.
He is just as much of a spaz once charged up as when he is not. The difference between Galvatron AI and every other boss, including Megatron, is completely off the charts.
It's not that he is difficult... It's that he is incredibly more difficult than anything else on that map.
Salt in the wound is he seems to allow specific types of attacks through when he has that exact resistance up, like a giant middle finger in your face, lol.
When you charge your s1 you are practically forced to just throw it immediately regardless where you are and eat a counter combo or slowly die. Having this "HP regen" on s2 and s3 is a Red Herring if I've ever seen one, haha.
Seriously... Does anyone here think he is just fine and should be left alone as is?
Constructive criticism only please, if anyone thinks he's just fine, I'm not gonna argue with you... But I'd like to hear some feedback on this.
The root of the problem to me is his AI in AM. it's like trying to fight Barricade with his evade permanently on while he's on crack. There are answers to evade, but there isn't much of an answer to natural dodging.
Galvatron doesn't seem to act that way in any other game mode. While the buff to galvatron is welcome on the player end of things, I believe it is going to cause a massive imbalance in AM once that update goes live.
Thoughts?
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Even though they made some changes but he still is annoying. I mean u can't land a special on him and he also dodge like crazy.
I'll say this, galvatron is hard to defeat as compared to megatron. And he is the final boss
- Blocks every single attack
- Evades like crazy and then intercepts
The fight is getting boring with a super defensive AI. He is super slippery and annoying
Use any bot that can land damaging debuffs (shock/burn/bleed). Focus on getting one to land in him.
The moment that happens, he begins to open up and attack, because the AI is responding to losing too much hp by being overly evasive during the DOT effect.
I had a relatively easy time just landing bleeds with Rhinox ranged pot shots, then countering Galvatrons dash in attack when he gets aggressive from it.
He is still very quick, but becomes a little more predictable and straightforward if you do this.
Could very well be. I’ve always used Ratchet who shocks in ranged, and Grimlock who burns on heavy. And while annoying, it’s definitely doable. Especially Grimlock purifying [Removed by Moderation] the shocks, his special 2 hurts a lot.
Told you AI was broken
That's just Galv's way of taunting the player, like come get me.
My biggest fear for this coming update is the buffs that Galv gets, and how that will impact the right side of the map. I get that Shockwave got buffs, but his AI is nothing like Galv.
Starscream on left? Easy if there’s two ironhide backing each other up there. Soundwave? Doable with a windblade. Shockwave? Either use windblade or rachet.
Right side bludgeon is immune to basic attacks.. Seriously? And has a high stack number of armor. Only OG or MV1 can handle that well. That also you'd need a skilled player doing it.. Getting hit a few times from bludgeon and it's gg since he deals insane bleed damage. On top of that he copies any buffs your bot has? Please...
Motormaster on right is universally hated. Only 1/5 players would say yes to handling that boss. You can only gain energy when avoiding his attacks and he has 3 rotating shields that can reduce your damage to 1. He has all the traits of an OP Motormaster on steroids since his PI is high if you'd play on higher difficulties. Get him to low HP and his damage spikes up till sky high.. Just a few touches from him and you're DOOMed.
Galvatron's difficulty is already stated by this thread.. Energon storm is annoying and takes away your HP fast and AI is unpredictable at times preferring to block rather than attack. He has rotating buffs too.. Good luck when it lands on a range or special buff and your bot ended up getting eaten by his sp2 or 3.
If it was me I would remove the entire crappie Sanctum map and put in a newer format. One with less mods and easier difficult for all players to enjoy. Make it 6 lanes as it is but the difficulty shouldn't be scaring away players from even attempting Sanctum map. Not everyone is skilled to handle multiple crazy mods on a miniboss.. Hope u understand that Kabam.
Amazing.
I suppose it was inevitable that this thread would get hijacked.
Stick to the topic, please. If you want to start your own thread about AM in general, go for it... This one is in regards to the Galvatron miniboss and what (if anything) can or should be done to him considering the upcoming buffs to the bot.
It's also a topic where players may want to share strategy on how to approach him with success.
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Ratchet has the advantage of not needing to bait out specials as he can heal through incoming sp3 damage, but with good sidestepping any bot should be able to do the same strat. It will be interesting to see how the changes in 5.1 will affect him.
I won't reveal our actual AM level, but it is over 30.
I started off very well, got to s1 and figured, what the hell... I have a full life bar, I should be able to get to s2 and throw it, Regen some life and I'll be ok.
I land another combo, gets me just shy of s2 and I eat a single basic ranged putting me at two bars.
I danced for about 7 seconds.. SEVEN seconds trying to find an opening. I glance at my life bar trying to judge if I should just throw the s2... And at that moment I die. That's how much damage that ridiculous effect does.
What is the point of having "Regen" on specials if the damage is so absurd it melts 10k HP in under 10 seconds? It's a total Red Herring, get rid of it because it's impossible to utilize at all.
The whole DOT effect of that mod is completely unbalanced, and it's time it got looked at... Especially with the buffs to Galvatron himself, making him much more formidable with the quick dark energy/will of Unicron/unstoppable increase.
You often get caught having to wait out unstoppable before even being able to just use the tactic of chucking away your s1 into thin air to avoid damage from shock, and damage from the retaliation. You end up frying until his unstoppable expires which lasts around 6-8 seconds.. It's unreasonable mandatory damage, and does not play well with his abilities and AI in terms of reasonable difficulty.
C'mon devs, I'm sure if you look at your data you will see how much more difficulty that miniboss mod poses to players in comparison to all the others.
Grimlock for sure. That’s the only reason I R5d mine. Works like a charm.
Grimlock works because he does it automatically every time it comes back...
I've tried a beast team and it doesn't work as well. A couple seconds after you throw a heavy attack energon storm comes right back, so you have to keep on spamming heavy attacks... And against Galvatron that's not the best idea