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In what situation does Ultra Magnus shine?

DrShotgunDrShotgun Posts: 2,157
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He seems to be built specifically for Alliance Missions. I have him duped but don't use him much because I'm not familiar with him.

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    KittenPrimeKittenPrime Posts: 1,144
    Destroys the 1.5 and 3.5 armour paths, and any brawlers in general with his sp1 armour break, converts ALL of the opponents armour buffs into armour break, can dish some devastating damage
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    ManthroManthro Posts: 2,752
    He is also a very good choice against Grindor in ROK.
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    DaveJLDaveJL Posts: 1,779
    vs optimus primal. Also teamed up with Arcee and Prowl.
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    Mr_WonderfulMr_Wonderful Posts: 760
    edited March 2018
    He also shines against drift, because his ranged attack counts as a sword instead of a projectile or a laser. This also applies to bludgeon even more because of the armour buffs and for some reason I can’t explain, kickback’s ranged also counts towards his melee resistance buffs
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    DaveJLDaveJL Posts: 1,779
    Mr_Wonderful wrote: »
    He also shines against drift, because his ranged attack counts as a sword instead of a projectile or a laser. This also applies to bludgeon even more because of the armour buffs and for some reason I can’t explain, kickback’s ranged also counts towards his melee resistance buffs

    because they aren't energy attacks like the others who use a blaster
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    Last_FrontierLast_Frontier Posts: 290
    Mr_Wonderful wrote: »
    He also shines against drift, because his ranged attack counts as a sword instead of a projectile or a laser. This also applies to bludgeon even more because of the armour buffs and for some reason I can’t explain, kickback’s ranged also counts towards his melee resistance buffs

    My theory on kickback is because of shockwave. If they counted as energy, you could purposely shoot his shield, take the shock charges he retaliates with, and consume them for power gain. Would be crazy lol.
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    Mr_WonderfulMr_Wonderful Posts: 760
    maybe, but it wouldn’t be the only inconsistency I can think of. Galvatrons second medium attack counts ranged resistance against ultra Magnus, yet doesn’t against movie bumblebee. I know it’s still an energy attack and that’s why it works like that against Magnus, but it just feels a tad overpowered against one particular bot (not that I’d ever use Magnus against galvatron, but just saying.)
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    ReworkRework Posts: 122
    Mr_Wonderful wrote: »
    He also shines against drift, because his ranged attack counts as a sword instead of a projectile or a laser. This also applies to bludgeon even more because of the armour buffs and for some reason I can’t explain, kickback’s ranged also counts towards his melee resistance buffs

    Not to dig up ancient TF history, but this would be accurate. Per the original Tech Spec that came with the toy, Kickback's weapon is a sub-machine gun rather than a laser or blaster.
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    SparkShredderSparkShredder Posts: 1,300
    Mr_Wonderful wrote: »
    He also shines against drift, because his ranged attack counts as a sword instead of a projectile or a laser. This also applies to bludgeon even more because of the armour buffs and for some reason I can’t explain, kickback’s ranged also counts towards his melee resistance buffs

    I noticed kickback does not shoot, he throw some kind of blades.
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    SparkShredderSparkShredder Posts: 1,300
    MAGNUS had proven to be Bug killer. Both BEEs and kickback
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    DrShotgunDrShotgun Posts: 2,157
    I have noticed Kickbacks ranged also...seem to be spear tips or something
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    Mr_WonderfulMr_Wonderful Posts: 760
    Mixmaster also throws projectiles, although they add against magnus’s ranged resistance. Not sure what they count as (acid bombs?) but with the exception of throwing swords (drift and bludgeon), shouldn’t any other ranged attack count as ranged resistance for Magnus?

    Maybe they should look at magnus’s resistances as physical/energy doesn’t seem to suit. ‘Energy’ would mean lasers to me, ‘physical’ would mean ballistics like bullets. The only bot I know of that obviously uses lasers as standard ranged attack is shockwave.
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    DrShotgunDrShotgun Posts: 2,157
    I thought that's how it was looked at.... physical vs energy.
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    ManthroManthro Posts: 2,752
    edited March 2018
    Mr_Wonderful wrote: »
    Mixmaster also throws projectiles, although they add against magnus’s ranged resistance. Not sure what they count as (acid bombs?) but with the exception of throwing swords (drift and bludgeon), shouldn’t any other ranged attack count as ranged resistance for Magnus?

    Maybe they should look at magnus’s resistances as physical/energy doesn’t seem to suit. ‘Energy’ would mean lasers to me, ‘physical’ would mean ballistics like bullets. The only bot I know of that obviously uses lasers as standard ranged attack is shockwave.

    UM resistances are, in fact, physical/energy and not ranged/melee as many players currently interpret them.

    Don't think about the logic behind it... The dev team codes attacks with whatever they want.

    For example... Primal heavy attack is a ranged attack that deals physical melee damage. This is the way it was intended, just gotta get used to it.

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    DrShotgunDrShotgun Posts: 2,157
    Yeah UM is tough when you use a bot like Bludgeon or Drift....those physical buffs just stack and he's a monster. I'd love him as a 5*.
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    Mr_WonderfulMr_Wonderful Posts: 760
    DrShotgun wrote: »
    Yeah UM is tough when you use a bot like Bludgeon or Drift....those physical buffs just stack and he's a monster. I'd love him as a 5*.

    Agreed, he is a total pain without the right bots. My kickback vs Magnus experience came in arena, thinking kickback would be the better option against Magnus considering MM and bludgeon were my other 2 on the team. Needless to say it was one of the longest battles I’ve had in arenas, all I could do was power leak and hope to wear him down eventually
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    KittenPrimeKittenPrime Posts: 1,144
    Mr_Wonderful wrote: »
    DrShotgun wrote: »
    Yeah UM is tough when you use a bot like Bludgeon or Drift....those physical buffs just stack and he's a monster. I'd love him as a 5*.

    Agreed, he is a total pain without the right bots. My kickback vs Magnus experience came in arena, thinking kickback would be the better option against Magnus considering MM and bludgeon were my other 2 on the team. Needless to say it was one of the longest battles I’ve had in arenas, all I could do was power leak and hope to wear him down eventually

    Ultra Magnus is always a pain unless you have a demo bot, his AI is one of the worst and his specials are obnoxious to predict, and sp1 is hard to dodge, and the resistances ofc
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    Mr_WonderfulMr_Wonderful Posts: 760
    Outside of demo..... I’d say windblade makes short work of him, if you can keep him bleeding. Barricade’s backfire from ranged would keep his physical resist low. G1 megs’s Armour break and powered heavies work well too. There is probably others but I always have at least one of them with me on AM (swordmasters, MV cons, or g1 cons.)

    I agree about his sp1 though, I usually smash him straight to sp2 before he gets a chance, find that easier to see coming.
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    DrShotgunDrShotgun Posts: 2,157
    I normally take him down with Shockwave or Soundwave. He seems especially vulnerable to a good shock.
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    KittenPrimeKittenPrime Posts: 1,144
    DrShotgun wrote: »
    I normally take him down with Shockwave or Soundwave. He seems especially vulnerable to a good shock.

    A shockingly good strategy
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