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Tantrum is kinda bad
小龙女
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1. I just do not understand why people praise him highly. iNightSky rank him as second best brawler.
2. In his video, he posted how he soloed thundercracker life transfer mod stage.
3. But I see tantrum being bad, I would not use him on anything other than when opponent rating is less than 2.5 times stronger than you and on life transfer mod
4. Tantrum losses buff instantly when backstep. When doing bot over 1.5 times your bot rating, you have to constantly side and backstep. I do not see anyway you can maintain that melee buff. Unstoppable is not feasible, if a 100k rating bot is hitting you, you do not ever want to get hit
5. His purification is unreliable
Conclusion, he is bad (at least not good at all)
2. In his video, he posted how he soloed thundercracker life transfer mod stage.
3. But I see tantrum being bad, I would not use him on anything other than when opponent rating is less than 2.5 times stronger than you and on life transfer mod
4. Tantrum losses buff instantly when backstep. When doing bot over 1.5 times your bot rating, you have to constantly side and backstep. I do not see anyway you can maintain that melee buff. Unstoppable is not feasible, if a 100k rating bot is hitting you, you do not ever want to get hit
5. His purification is unreliable
Conclusion, he is bad (at least not good at all)
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For me, being good means you can easily solo bot that is 2-100 times more rating than you. Everything on tantrum kit depends on melee buff, meaning you have to forward rush an opponent. Your opponent can easily side step and hit you into oblivion. (A good warrior combo will 100-0 this tantrum with a side step)
3 melee buff for 1 purification? Forget it, lol I won’t be able to maintain even 1 melee buff
How can he be good? Which specific ability make him good?
I'd love to see him in alliance mission, but there are better bots to take in AM.
He's the type of bot you'll want to bring in to finish short, bursty mission fights, and here's how it goes:
You run over the opponent, Tantrum beats the crap out of the opponent, the opponent dies, fight is iver
What you don't want to bring him in is long fights against tanky bosses whose PI is like 4x your Tantrum's, here's how it goes:
You run to the opponent, you beat the crap out of them, they don't die, instead they throw a bunch of attacks... well, you know what happens next
Lol that is my point.
But, you said you want to bring him to finish fight fast.
Problem with that is, since he will not be good choice to rank up as 5*, you will have other bot that is 8000 rating that can finish fight faster than 4000 rating tantrum.
Whole point of post was, when doing spotlight master, revenge of king, alliance mission or even raid vs high rating bot (6000 vs 12000 for example), you do not even want to get hit once.
sure, you soloed a 12000 rating bot with 4K tantrum in alliance mission. Now your tantrum is half dead and you have no brawler left in group. What’s the point?
He is a uniquely designed bot with very very special kit and purpose. So he is fun to play with
Sometimes you have to give up his melee buffs and dodge, no big deal.
Sometimes you trigger unstoppable for the sole purpose of baiting a special, or dashing back and forth to purify a nasty debuff.
And sometimes you curb stomp the opponent with multiple stuns and roll over them with 10x melee buff S3.
He has incredible synergies as well. Brings another dimension to beast teams, or gains very powerful and relevant synergies for himself with Cyclonus/Galvatron
Step back, sidestep, charge forward, heavy.
Sidestep, charge forward, heavy.
Sidestep, charge forward, heavy.
Block to charge unstoppable.
Step back, charge forward, step back, charge forward, step back, charge forward, heavy. (He doesn't lose buffs when backstepping when unstoppable)
At this point you should have 5 melee buffs, and charging his unstoppable should be loads quicker. Repeat the above steps until 10 buffs and a Sp3. Hit Sp3. Opponent dead.
This can be achieved with little skill and will beat most bots of 2x or 3x his PI. Play with some skill however and he's even better...
Lol let me try that step by step, look promising. I think the key I was missing was using heavy that makes opponent step back
In no way does he NEED to get mad melee buffs to be effective. At r5 he gets a 24% melee buff for each buff, one or two of those is already a healthy increase in damage alone. If the situation dictates, and I’m only on a few melee buffs, I wouldn’t think twice of backstepping out the way to avoid damage. To be honest I’ve never taken him up to 10 melee buffs in a serious fight. When you get close to sp3, get unstoppable and go ham at your opponent, dashing back and forth until you get an opening. Max as many buffs as you can for that sp3. If you don’t get an opening, your unstoppable, try again.
That’s my usual tactic. If low on power I’ll play around on low to no melee buffs. Once I’m above sp2 and approaching sp3, play more tactically and max the buffs for when it’s necessary. Immediately proc unstoppable as soon as the sp3 animation ends, gain any more melee buffs you want or lay into them.
Ok, he might not be the no.1 brawler of choice for most. But he’s fun. His playstyle brings something so different to any other bot that he basically requires you to go all out in a way no other bot can, even motormaster. You won’t ever get bored using tantrum, thats for sure.
Video credit : @Gojuanes
Is this video supposed to prove he his good? The damage output was extraordinary yes but look at how much damage he took just trying to conform to Tantrum's play style.
Well that demonstrate really well his kit :
Tantrum is a beast in terms of pure damage, so he's good on short fight, not too much hp bot
So overall good on Mission spotlight, raids and probably AM if you are a beast with it, but definitely not Rotk or let's get funky and say Rotk 3 if it comes one day.
I find him really good imo, I like his playstyle and would love to get a 5* version of him
I mean, he did a 51k with his sp3, and he's only at r3, I can't imagine the damage output on class match/ forge 100/R5. Gosh ....
Is that Tantrum really at R3 though with a PI of 7500?? Looks more like a max forge R4 to me.
You should see his R4 video lol
I’d imagine synergies counted towards the final count. My r3 grim with practically max forge sits at 6500 odds, but mastery setup needs tweaking
If you're practically at max forge at 6500, there's no way you're going to gain another 1000. A R3 5* comes in at around 4500 give or take, you don't gain 3000 on the PI just from forging.
Including synergies working round that bot and an a top mastery setup, it could happen. Mine tops out at 7256 with a decent team synergy wise, and us only sig 5. An extra 250 pi is very achievable with more sig and better masteries.
Maybe relics can come into play as well. Perhaps you are right but then that Tantrum in the video isn't just a plain R3. Big difference between a plain R3 and a max forge R3.