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200 failed attempts on primal
小龙女
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My skill level is pretty low, but have been improving on primal. I believe there is a theoretical general button pressing strategy (ignoring special bot abilities and mods, if the bot has power bar up, the particular strategy might/might not work.) I am still working on this and improving on my theories. Fighting based purely on intuition could be error prone. In difficult fight, 1 combo u are KO.
So given situation x, press y button, and it is guarentteed to work. I might be wrong
0. In general, always keep medium-far distance from your opponent.
0.1. Remember, try to keep your position diagonally from opponent, diagnol distance is farther than other positions, so you have farther distance to back out
0.2. If your reflex is fast enough, watch out for dark background color change, and block or move immediately, instead of keeping eye on bot to spot out his special. Color change is faster than animation.
2. If at short distance, press hit, backing out might take bullet hit
3. If at medium distance, back out immediately, and start shooting 1-2 times. If he rush u, he takes bullet and u hit back. If he sidestep or start shootings too, u back out. (Cuz he might shoot 1 more bullet than u do and follow up with combo)
3.1 if at slight more than medium distance, and he rushes in, side step. If you don’t have enough distance, and u side step, u will take hit
4. If at far distance, and your shooting path aligns with his position, hit 3 bullet, he will either shoot or block. If he blocks, you rush in full combo him. Even if he block, he takes heavy damage. (Position aligning is important, otherwise billet will miss and he will fight back)
4.1 If at far distance, and he keep moving and your shooting path keep changing alignment, side step too. If he rushes in, side step.
5. If at medium to far distance, and he was just knocked down, you immediately start shooting 2-3 bullets depending on distance. Most likely he will block, and you rush in full combo him. If he side step, side step or move away from him.
6. If at corner and short distance, and he was just knocked down, immediately rush in and full combo him again (rinox doesn’t work cuz his heavy can be missed and fighted back, but many bots will 100% work all the time)
Best attempt today, with a 5k megatron, he should be dead...with that same number of 200+ hit....
So given situation x, press y button, and it is guarentteed to work. I might be wrong
0. In general, always keep medium-far distance from your opponent.
0.1. Remember, try to keep your position diagonally from opponent, diagnol distance is farther than other positions, so you have farther distance to back out
0.2. If your reflex is fast enough, watch out for dark background color change, and block or move immediately, instead of keeping eye on bot to spot out his special. Color change is faster than animation.
2. If at short distance, press hit, backing out might take bullet hit
3. If at medium distance, back out immediately, and start shooting 1-2 times. If he rush u, he takes bullet and u hit back. If he sidestep or start shootings too, u back out. (Cuz he might shoot 1 more bullet than u do and follow up with combo)
3.1 if at slight more than medium distance, and he rushes in, side step. If you don’t have enough distance, and u side step, u will take hit
4. If at far distance, and your shooting path aligns with his position, hit 3 bullet, he will either shoot or block. If he blocks, you rush in full combo him. Even if he block, he takes heavy damage. (Position aligning is important, otherwise billet will miss and he will fight back)
4.1 If at far distance, and he keep moving and your shooting path keep changing alignment, side step too. If he rushes in, side step.
5. If at medium to far distance, and he was just knocked down, you immediately start shooting 2-3 bullets depending on distance. Most likely he will block, and you rush in full combo him. If he side step, side step or move away from him.
6. If at corner and short distance, and he was just knocked down, immediately rush in and full combo him again (rinox doesn’t work cuz his heavy can be missed and fighted back, but many bots will 100% work all the time)
Best attempt today, with a 5k megatron, he should be dead...with that same number of 200+ hit....
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From what I tested, if you just side stepped, and he stand still, u have guarentted shooting position alignment. If he moved after u move, u have guarentted misalignment. Also if he was just knocked down, u also have guarenteed alignment (unless he moved before the bullet get to him, but since he moved he can’t shoot, so it is ok)
Also if you shoot bullet and he shoot too, try to keep shooting 1-2 more bullet than him...given enough distance he can’t counter back
If he start shooting first, side step, and shoot back. It is better than trying to outshoot him...
With every opponent, they have a pattern or behavior. We all should know how AI behaves. I usually like to keep my distance from him. Class advantage is not always an advantage and possibly may be better off using another brawler (e.g.: Motormaster) bot in this instance?
Motormaster would die in an instant. You need to do constant damage to keep the jurassic mod from kicking in and because of his melee buff mod, MM wouldn't last two seconds.
The only real options are tacticians, being OG Prime unduped, OG Megatron (preferably duped), a high level Starscream with Ninja skills or possibly a high high level UM with Ninja skills, although I don't know if UM can deal the damage necessary. Can't imagine anyone beating Primal with any other bots, especially in one fight, and if they have, props to them.
Yeah definitely some people might be smart or good enough that their mind recognize patterns intuitively.
I actually got primal down to 50% before, better than the picture, fighting intuitively. But I found it very inconsistent personally. Sometimes I dead at 90%...primal energy cost is basically free, but spotlight and AM is less forgiving.
I used to be impressed with iNighskies primal fight video. Now after these training, I actually generally do better than what he did in the video. (I am not saying I am more skilled, he is definitely more skilled than I am, but I am usually able to avoid mistakes he made with 200 practices)
Like someone has said, if you have OG Megs duped (even a 4*), give that a go. It's fun the damage you will do.
yes, but doesn’t do too much. Primal crit me 7000. Special 2 100-10, special 1, 100-60
Yeah I am definitely ranking up 5* megatron next
Definitely, if you have him duped.
No, I could have beaten him if I had an megatron at same rating.
I was formulating general fighting technique to see if anyone maybe correcting it or suggesting other techniques I am not aware
Thanks for help, let me know what’s best mastery. I am considering glass cannon and star seaker
Also if u can share some fighting technique would be great
I dodge (not block) monkey’s special 1/2 basically >90% of time. I know u can block as well. (Adds armour), but that does hurt hp a littlle. I dodge all the time except when I am stressed out
Combo count is 50-100, very occasionally 150
I keep him under 5 stack at all time except beginning.
The problem is over long fight (need 20 min to finish him with 4.5k og) I loose focus and stress out. The lower his hp, the more nervous I become, and I start making mistakes. That’s why I am trying to consciously set up some fighting rules I can follow over long fights
Old video
Latest attempt
I don’t have video for my best 50% one
I am on iPhone 7. Normally when my batter is over 40% and cool, it runs smoothly. Then it just runs very hot and slow...
I guess it is time for the next iPhone in sept...
To anticipate Primal's S1, if you see him being extra dodgy, and slowly moving closer to you, it means the AI is trying to catch you off guard when you backed into the wall. At that point play defensive, or catch the AI with a heavy to create distance and reset the fight.
Awesome observation, hard part is always managing to reset fight.
Another thing to note is when you see a bot walking towards you, there's usually a certain distance that will trigger the AI to use it's special if the first hit of that special is a ranged attack. It's about half a screen of distance between you and the enemy that the AI will the special attack.
This is true for all bots under the control of the AI, including primal's S1.
Yeah man. iNightSkies has mirage as second highest rating bot. Definitely worth 4/5 rank at least.
I noticed in his primal fight, there were multiple occasions the AI could have hit him with special 2, but just didn’t fire. I am guessing that AI has improved/changed over time.
The only special I have trouble with is wasp special 1, megatronus, blaster and prowl. I don’t even try. I just always bait and ready to block.
Mirage is very effective and has some of the best utility in the game without doubt
Almost felt like an AI hack, no wonder every time u press special, and AI would come before u
I used to think wheeljack is best but looks like offensively mirage maybe better choice (op team)