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Beat AM tronus without power control
小龙女
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So is it even possible to beat tronus without taking even 1hp at D120 and above?
From my experience it is impossible to dodge like 10, 20 of his specials in a row. (Reliably)
This is due to his AI is coded so that he tends to fire it when u Backstep. But backstep is mandatory because u need to clear distance. If u want to clear distance by shooting and pushing him to his wall, then he can still fire special while u are shooting
There is no strategy on top of my head where u can reliably dodge 20, 30 of his specials...
(Wasp sp1 is different, cuz he likes to shoot and don’t like to dash and corner u, so clearing distance is rarely needed)
From my experience it is impossible to dodge like 10, 20 of his specials in a row. (Reliably)
This is due to his AI is coded so that he tends to fire it when u Backstep. But backstep is mandatory because u need to clear distance. If u want to clear distance by shooting and pushing him to his wall, then he can still fire special while u are shooting
There is no strategy on top of my head where u can reliably dodge 20, 30 of his specials...
(Wasp sp1 is different, cuz he likes to shoot and don’t like to dash and corner u, so clearing distance is rarely needed)
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Some bots have more specific setups that will reliably cause them to throw a special attack.
Megatronus is best set up after he backsteps and shoots basic ranged. Sidestep up to avoid and then let him walk in.
He will throw it fairly often in this scenario.
2nd... Yes, he can be beaten without power control. Wasp, Tantrum, Motormaster, Cheetor (even though Cheetor sucks for AM in general) are all good candidates.
WB is also a good choice because she is a great finisher.
Starscream is also excellent even though he's at a class disadvantage.
Cheetor does pretty well for me in the greater scheme of AM, but since he power gains, he's not great for Tronus.
Thanks for that tip @Manthro , would you be kind enough to share fighting tips like that in another thread perhaps? I've always wondered if there were ways to "force" the opponent into stuff like that, e.g., I know holding block will sometimes trigger opponents to do something.
To be honest, I have no idea how to bait in general.
The only thing I do:
1. Against tronus and wasp and prowl I try to keep blocking until he fires it.
2. Against all else I try to walk close to him.
3. God like players or players with good reflect dash in to bait against certain bots. I am bad reflect, so I don’t do it in AM
I have 0 idea how to bait special at far distance.
What manthro said I actually don’t quite understand
This isn't just a range special tactic it works for every bot in the game and is extremely useful. I'll check on some vids to see if I have a good example
This is for the other game but if I remember correctly, can apply the same concepts.
Just avoid doing two medium hits in a combo or a S2 and you should not trigger his power gain.
I see how walk the line works now.
And technique 2 “while u were sleeping” is what I was talking about #3 if u have fast reflect u can dash into a knock down. But I don’t do it, a little too risky with my reflect lvl
The basic principle is to keep your defense down and make AI think u are vulnerable. Walking the line shortens your distance vs AI, so all the more reason to fire special
I think backstepping can easily catch u with special due to the longer animation to transition into side stepping, but walk the line is short walking animation and takes little time to transition into other animation (like sidestepping tronus special)