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Forge data from the 411
Trailfire
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The TFTF 411 Bot has observations about forging. These are player observations only and not "official stats", so if you notice some different results, please don't take it out on Kabam - it's more likely my fault (and I have no connection with Kabam beyond being a loudmouthed player/customer). These are all available through the 411 bot in Line, but I want to share them here as well so players can more easily give feedback
Huge thanks to @KingOfPain and @Sabugen for all their help with this
There is also a trial "forge calculator" that should tell you how much forge XP to expect and what forge level you should reach when forging a particular bot, as well as how many bot crystal shards you'll get
It doesn't tell you how much ore and gold to expect, yet
If more than one person uses it at once, it'll get messy, but you can save a copy to your own Google Sheets folder if you want to spend a lot of time on it
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gbt1eKvjFlrAyoOVRDTSMlx519G1pVR2f8qxv1TjzHk/edit?usp=sharing
You get bonus forge XP when you unlock level 75-100 (ie the first time you use the same bot from one tier below) but we haven't been able to confirm how much that's worth yet because we only just discovered that it happens. Unlocking 75-100 in a 4* bot seems to be worth about 550 forge XP, but that's from just one observation
Forge XP:
Gold cost to rank bots:
Gold cost per forge point:
This data is for sig.0 bots. If you're forging awakened or forged bots, you'll use less gold per forge point, but that becomes difficult to put succinctly in a table
Bot crystal shards:
If you want to translate it into other languages, send me a PM. We've already got a Chinese language version that I shared on WeChat, but will post here too later
Final point - these are subject to change, but we're confident that this is a pretty accurate reflection of how forging works currently, accepting some degree of uncertainty when consuming 3* rank 4 bots, especially if they have high forge and sig levels or have same class or bot synergies - these very high end forges seem to have some inconsistency that's difficult to explain
Hope people find this useful!
Huge thanks to @KingOfPain and @Sabugen for all their help with this
There is also a trial "forge calculator" that should tell you how much forge XP to expect and what forge level you should reach when forging a particular bot, as well as how many bot crystal shards you'll get
It doesn't tell you how much ore and gold to expect, yet
If more than one person uses it at once, it'll get messy, but you can save a copy to your own Google Sheets folder if you want to spend a lot of time on it
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gbt1eKvjFlrAyoOVRDTSMlx519G1pVR2f8qxv1TjzHk/edit?usp=sharing
You get bonus forge XP when you unlock level 75-100 (ie the first time you use the same bot from one tier below) but we haven't been able to confirm how much that's worth yet because we only just discovered that it happens. Unlocking 75-100 in a 4* bot seems to be worth about 550 forge XP, but that's from just one observation
Forge XP:
Gold cost to rank bots:
Gold cost per forge point:
This data is for sig.0 bots. If you're forging awakened or forged bots, you'll use less gold per forge point, but that becomes difficult to put succinctly in a table
Bot crystal shards:
If you want to translate it into other languages, send me a PM. We've already got a Chinese language version that I shared on WeChat, but will post here too later
Final point - these are subject to change, but we're confident that this is a pretty accurate reflection of how forging works currently, accepting some degree of uncertainty when consuming 3* rank 4 bots, especially if they have high forge and sig levels or have same class or bot synergies - these very high end forges seem to have some inconsistency that's difficult to explain
Hope people find this useful!
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Quick question (that has always been around) before I dig into the sheets and the calculator: is the resource to exp ratio fix, or variant or monotonous increasing? People keep asking if there's a turning point or something to be careful of. If there isn't, they can blindly eat a raw rot in shortage of no gold/ore, and max it when there is plenty of resources.
1. It's in general unnecessary to rank up the fodder at all, as all 2/3/4 star bots are best forged at 1/10.
2. 3 star is better than 1 star than 2 star.
Correct?
Responding to your last question first: Yes and no.
I'd say if you really have a gold shortage, but plenty of bots, then yeah, you'll get more forge points per unit of gold spent if you just forge a rank1 level 10 bot. But you wont get *many* forge points. Certainly you'll get relatively low forge points per bot consumed! You'll have maximum gold efficiency if you use 1/1 bots, since they don't need any gold at all. But you'll have maximum bot efficiency if you use 3* 4/40 sig0 bots
I say sig0 assuming every 5 sig levels is an extra bot that could've been a 4/40 bot. Each 5 sig levels are worth 1,100, whereas you get 9,000 for a 4/40 bot. Of course you'll never have enough ore and gold to rank every 3* to 4/40 before it dupes, so ultimately you just need to balance your resources based on how much you have of each type on hand
Your first question about the resource:XP ratio, it's not fixed. That's what the Gold cost per forge point is about. The resources to create a rank1 bot are low, and so you get a high efficiency, but just a small final number.
Essentially, resource efficiency goes down as the forge value of the bot goes up. If you don't have many t1alpha sparks expiring, I wouldn't recommend forging rank4 bots. If you have more t1a than you can use, then I'd only ever forge rank4 bots. If you're thinking about selling spare t1a, this might be something you consider - is your AM team already forge100? If not, you might use the t1a to take some 3* bots r4 before forging them. If yes, then 3* r4 are basically meaningless - sell the t1a for t2a essence!
Sorry it's not a clear answer, but it really depends on the resources available to you at the time, which is depends on the stage of the game you're at
(btw, gold use is closely tied to ore use, since basic ore uses 1.05 gold/ore and class ore uses 0.9 gold/ore - ranking also uses gold, of course)
If you want 411 resources in other languages, there's a feedback option in the Line app, the 411 Facebook page can be messaged, or you can contact any of the people who work on it if you know them
Forge XP:
Gold costs to rank:
Gold cost per forge point:
Bot crystal shards
graphics version
If that doesn't work, PM me your Line ID and I'll share it with you again
Look at it this way...
Forging bots should lower your energon expenditure for difficult content.
Sure, you miss out on a few feature chips, but the trade off is worth it. Most players only forge a bot when it's above Sig 30 or close to max Sig anyway. So at most you miss out on 1k chips per forged bot.. not a terrible sacrifice for what it accomplishes... A stronger 4* bot and some tasty 4* shards which may turn into 10k feature chips by drawing a 4* dupe
It depends on what you are after. If you only want the 3* feature bot, then you are correct. However, the other way of looking at it is, if you forge your 3* bots you will get more 4* shards, thereby increasing your opportunities to dupe 4* bots. Each 4* dupe will get you 10000 shards towards that 4* feature, so if that is something that will increase your chances of cashing in on that, I would say forging 3* is an excellent choice.
Further, it will also help if you dump all your 3* sig upgrades in to bots that you are going to forge, because they will produce even more 4* shards for you.
If you really need the forge XP you get from forging 3* bots, you'll know about it, and you wont mind consuming them at all
If you need the 3* more than you need a boost to your top bot, then wait a bit. If your top bot isn't getting you through the toughest content easily enough and you can't increase ranks or levels directly, then it's time to forge