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Forging 101
Kabam Miike
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Hey All!
We know that many of you have questions about forging bots. Well, KG Gaming has put together a video on the basics you need to know about how to forge, when to forge, and what the benefits are!
Check out his video on Forging 101!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beVDO86ffCs
We know that many of you have questions about forging bots. Well, KG Gaming has put together a video on the basics you need to know about how to forge, when to forge, and what the benefits are!
Check out his video on Forging 101!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beVDO86ffCs
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He said there are no 2* shards which is false... I have 1,000 of them right now which makes me wonder what else he said that is wrong (sorry if that sounds rude)
He talks about how forging increases the class power, is there a way to see the class power of a bot? I want to be able to verify that this increases when forging the same bot a * level below.
Based on what he said, it doesn't matter if I dump ore straight into a 3* and forge a totally bare 1* vs. dumping the same ore into a 1* and then forging because either way you're 3* will end up the same. Is that correct? That just makes 1* even more dumb and useless...
I did always wonder about the max forge level, thanks for clearing that up. Sounds like every bot starts with a forge level of 75 and has a max of 100.
As said in the video, Forging is how you make your OLD and OBSOLETE bots useful. In the beginning this is primarily going to refer to 1* bots.
2* bots should start getting forged into 3* bots regularly when you have a larger population of leveled 3* bots to utilize. In other words, When you can do everything with leveled 3* bots and 2* are not getting used anymore, forge them into your 3*.
Now 1* bots do not award shards altho there are actual 2* bot shards in game so I don't know why.
The MAJOR thing I wanted to touch on and point out is the bonus xp. You get the MOST forge xp forging the same bot into itself.
You will still get some bonus xp from forging the same class into itself BUT the BONUS will be SMALLER.
a small example tested. 1* bots are unleveled fresh from crystal
a 1* Ironhide(Demolition) forged into any higher up Ironhide(Demolition) results in 17 forge xp
a 1* Demolition Bot forged into any higher up Ironhide(Demolition) results in 16 forge xp
a 1* Bot not Demolition or Ironhide specifically forged into any higher up Ironhide(Demolition) results in 15 forge xp.
The amount of bonus xp increases a good bit when you start looking at 2 and 3* bots. It doesn't matter if the bot goes into a 2* or a 4* bot. Destination does not affect forge xp after bonuses. Only the bot being forged affects forge xp due to Tier, Rank, level and Signature level.
There is a discrepancy tho. I have noticed multiple times that my bots end up giving more forge xp than is listed. It has never been lower, always higher. So forge your bots 1 at a time.
So, for me, I forge 1* bots fresh from the crystal into their respective 2* bots. This will vary from person to person. I, however, have too many bots to level that I don't want to be bothered with leveling 1* bots on top of everything. My 2* bots do get maxed before being forged into my 3* bots. And my 3* bots will be maxed before forging into my 4*.
So to sum up. The most forge xp will result from forging 1* into 2* into 3* into 4* all of same bot. This will maximize your bonus xp as you will gain more each tier you forge up.
I hope this helped to clarify the bonus xp mentioned. On a side note, please feel free to contact me concerning any questions about forging.
Class power he talks about is the Class Advantage you get when you match bots like Tactician vs Brawler. And yes, forging affects this in a huge way as it is the primary reason you forge. The visual proof you want is in the receiving bots stats when forging. You see a %, Hit Points and Attack. The more forge levels, the higher the % is and the higher the % is, the bigger the bonus gained when fighting a bot you're strong to(Ironhide vs CW Optimus) and it also decreases the disadvantage when fighting bots your weak to(Ironhide vs Mirage). This is affected by overall Forge level and has nothing to do with how you acquired your Forge level.
Dumping ore is subjective. You should always dump ore into a 3* bot. This levels them up and does not affect the bots Forge level at all. Dumping ore into a 3* bot and forging a base 1* bot IS NOT the same as maxing a 1* bot with ore and forging it into a 3* bot that hasn't received any ore. ORE DOES NOT affect forging at all. If you want the most, yes, max your lower bots before forging into higher tier ones.
That was an over sight. At the time of making the video I did not have any 2* shards and coming from an MCOC background where there is no 2* shards I made a mistake. The main poin tof all of that was that forging a 1* bot does not provide you with crystal shards.
Thanks for the clarification
No problem... I got called out on it a few other times... I have now edited that little sentence out. lol
This is up to you.
I personally, use Class and Generic Ore for Bots, but only use generic Ore for Mods.
Because there is no signature level for 1 Star Bots, you might want to Forge them before opening more crystals, but then you do not receive the Ore-13 and Gold for duplicating the bots.
Forging is dumb. The payouts for duping a 2 or 3 star are much better than forging. And a waste of ore if your going to level up bots just to get rid of them to pull them from crystals all over again. This wasn't thought out very well. Point is, your going to get more 2 stars than 3 stars and more 3 stars than 4 stars. Always. And you need your bots for arenas and all the other various fight options and your base. Too ealy too have introduced this.
Forging adds a massive amount of power to your bots, provided you take it to the max. Adds about extra 40% power compared to no forging at all. Even more in class advantage battles.
If you care about keeping a very large roster for arena, then forging might not be for you since forge levels do not add points and having more arena teams does mean more points. But if you care about tackling the hardest content the game has to offer then every point of power you can squeeze out of your bots to create a single super strong team is valuable (3 bots for AM, 5 for Legendary missions). Then you'll want to forge.
It's not dumb. It's there. It's not too early. People use it. To each their own.
Disclaimer: I don't play arena for top ranks. I do play Alliance Missions at the highest level currently being taken on. My forge levels of my top 3 bots together is somewhere around 230. That's a lot of bots shredded (and a lot of 4* crystals gotten from forging my 3*s)
Actually Optimus might be onto something although he's going about things all wrong
since I don't use 1* for anything I removed about 17 x1* and summoned all 84 crystals I had... here is my new 1* roster from 84 crystals
What about 2* crystals? Is it the same? I don't want to risk opening them. What about pbc shards, what about any crystal? Opening 50 pbc shard crystals and only getting 2* seems pretty weird as well.
How can we trust any crystal in the game when we get treated like this, support says no problem and posts get deleted. This is an honest and genuine concern.
Just a simple 'we can confirm this is not intended and working on a solution' would stop this from spiralling out of control. They don't have to say how they'll fix it, just confirm it so people can stop being worried.
2* crystals are ok though not all bots are available as a 2* (UM isn't although he was added as 3/4* which is weird). I currently have 17 of them and do rebuild that roster often as well.
builders.
Rookies can't spread their rosters.
I don't understand the lack of caring about that.
When i forged the my 2* hot rod with 7 duplicates into my 3* hot rod i didnt get any 3* shards. is there a difference between the bots i get in the raidstore (2* wasp, drift, hot rod, megatron) and the 2*-bots i get by opening the premium crystalls?
is it intendet to be like this (no 3*-shards for them) or could it be a bug? i didnt read about this somewhere.
PS: what optimus_t found out about the 1*-crystalls is well know in my alliance and by my friends, too. nobody knows sth about this change
Base shards: 20
Signature Move level: 11 shards per level (each dups = 5 levels hence 55 shards)
Each bot level = 1 shard
Each rank up = 2 shards for rank 2, 3 shards for rank 3, etc.
(I.e.: locked level 4/20 bots gives 14 shards for level - 10 for rank1 and 4 for rank2, 2 for rank up and 20 base, so total only 36 shards for the trouble.)
So it seems it is a waste of ores to upgrade your forge sacrifices, rather than just dupe them until max before your forge them.
I assume your 358 is the % bonus rather than the sig level.
Remember at maxed level of a 2* is only around 150+ atk, while a 3* would probably be around the range of 300, you can do the math and know that despite a lower sig bonus, the potential gain for the 3* is way more than the 2* as you start increasing the forge levels
My exact experience is that if you are only concern about the shards, forging it at top rank max level is just a waste of ores and gold, cause you only get roughly 1/2 of the ores back. (I had tried to forge a maxed 2* Prime OG when I have no coloured ore, immediately after I receive a new 2* Prime OG and rank that up with the coloured ores only, I managed to reach about Rank 2 level 12/20)
For me, for forge fodder will be duplicated until 100 sign, but not level up at all
Everyone is entitled to Forge how they see fit. If you wait til your 3* bot is max Sig ability before forging in to it, then you will end up severely behind the curve as ALL top players are forging and I promise they aren't waiting until the recipient is max Sig. Not to mention how long it would take to max a 3* sig ability let alone a 4*. That's 1 for the initial bot and 20 more pulls after. As for level? Yeah, if you can't max a bot, then you probably shouldn't be forging in to it at all.
Forging is not about gold/ore. It's about the extra hit points, extra attack and the HUGE bonus it gives to type advantage. So what happens when you have nothing left to spend gold and ore on too? It happens.
Guys, don't forge with gold/ore costs in mind. I will gladly pay gold and ore for more 3 and 4* bot crystal shards. And this is EXACTLY why you're maxing the forge fodder.
All that gold and ore spent that you think is a huge waste is actually:
Increasing overall forge xp.
Increasing crystal shard gains
Increasing ore and gold received
And these are big differences too.
What I've begun doing is forging a single bot and maxing any bot that matches the recipients type. Rest just hang out getting duped constantly because 2* and pbc crystals. Once same types are maxed, dump em all into the recipient. Repeat. For 3* this is actually a fairly quick and easy way to hit 100/100 Forge. 4* can take a good bit longer.
P.S. Yes, Sig ability does affect shards and forge xp in a big way themselves. If you want to let a bot sit around unused until they hit max sig, your more than welcome. You may just have a useless bot for a long while(beyond arena use).
The number of crystal shards you get are only effected by the sig level. 85 shards for an unduped bot. 55 shards for every dupe (11xsig level)
Gold and ore are both only effected by the star level of the bot.
All 1* bots get 93 gold & 1x 200 class ore
All 2* bots get 889 gold & 9x 800 class ore
All 3* bots get 1,581 gold (I haven't confirmed the amount of class ore returned, sorry)
Ranking, leveling and forging the bots you're going to consume only effects the number of forge points you get back. Duping the bot also effects the number of forge points