What we really need is a detailed description of an event before it’s released...I know that’s probably asking too much
I know that you guys would like it, but we're not gonna share that information. We want you all to figure this out. You can do it on your own, or you can do it together, but this is a game, and that means that there is exploration and problem solving to be done.
We can't tell you every single thing. Where's the fun in that?
PS. It looks like many of you have already figured this out.
We already spend enough time exploring and reporting the endless bugs and cheaters to you guys, I don’t think giving us details on an event where so much gold and ore is needed is that much to ask. Such a lazy response to say we need to figure it out on our own.
Is it too much to ask if one (or all) of these happens:
* The six of 2* Sharks into the normal PBC pool
* Put one 2* as epic reward in away mission.
* 2* Shark (or even shards) as Raid shop daily item
* Yeah, Shark Trial in daily, one week per month.
so will the special tab remain permanently after the event so we can create shark crystals.. and sharks will continue to give shark shards after the event?
The only thing is not collecting any new sources of sharks?
So, the Special Tab will go away, but you'll still be able to Forge Sharkticons for Sharkticon Crystal shards. There may just not be a way to get more Sharkticons after this,
This is completely ambiguous. I think you are misunderstanding what is being asked, Miike. We get we can still collect shards at any time by forging.. we want to know if we can exchange those shards at our leisure, or if the ability to exchange them into crystals will be removed at the end of the event.
Players want a simple confirmation..Yes or No.
If we don't get a straight answer you may be missing out on potential revenue for players buying gold crystals, sparks and ore to rank these things in time to get 4* sharks.
so will the special tab remain permanently after the event so we can create shark crystals.. and sharks will continue to give shark shards after the event?
The only thing is not collecting any new sources of sharks?
So, the Special Tab will go away, but you'll still be able to Forge Sharkticons for Sharkticon Crystal shards. There may just not be a way to get more Sharkticons after this,
Sorry, I don't understand. If there's no special tab then how do we use the shark crystal shards to exchange for an actual shark crystal?
Are they going to be merged in to the shard crystal tab? Can we make shark crystals whenever we want or only during this week?
Considering the very little effort required to grind out a 4* (you only need 25 2* to make one 4*, - 6 free 2* - one free 3*{which is = to 5 2*} = 14 2* or two days of arena.), I dont understand why everyone is getting so uptight. You've got time.. should be no need to go beyond this event to get your sharks. They finally give you your dang sharks and everyone gets all finnacky . Like, take it and enjoy it. If you just HAVE to have 6 duped 4* sharks one for Every class, then by god you've probably figured out all the math. And, you also probably realize you don't need more than a week. I say good day.
P.s. why are you guys pouring resources? Just forged, or dup+forge .. its.. it's really simple math.
Every other intel report says the HP and ATK of the bots, but the shark one doesn't.. because if you look at the max rating it's about 1000 points less than a normal bot.. so if you rank 5 the 4* it's stats are going to be equal to a rank 4 bot or less... and without a dupe they have no abilities at all. Even with full synergy the pi still doesn't come close.
So they're not really playable by any stretch of the imagination, they can be a few extra points in arena and that's it, unless you get a full duped set, and then they're still not particularly playable, rank 3/4/5 materials are still too scarce to warrant putting anything in to a shark team over any normal bots. I'd even rank up an unduped mixmaster over the sharks.
They're 4* in name only. The effort is lower than a regular 4* because the 4* is almost a 3* and duping is basically mandatory.
This event and collecting the sharks is for novelty only (which is a fine purpose, I like it), this is not to increase the power of your roster and give you new 4* options for your teams. If you're missing a particular class bot, this is not the answer.
Don't have any delusions about what these are. These are our pokemon.. gotta catch 'em all.
Considering 400k is less than 10% rank during feature... not many will get 500k, milestones might help it a bit though.
Hopefully new players don't waste resources on these bots, if it's their 'best' bot they're going to be struggling with content.
I just noticed in game the stats, brawler shark max is 739 atk and 9,993 hp, compared to a regular brawler, primal is 975 atk and 12,392 hp.
But like Remmie said, it is a bit easier to obtain maybe one or two.. but it will only give a bit more points in arena because even though it's a 4*.. the stats are low. Still.. points is points.
I really like the shark alt form.. I'll probably just use them as base fillers.
so will the special tab remain permanently after the event so we can create shark crystals.. and sharks will continue to give shark shards after the event?
The only thing is not collecting any new sources of sharks?
So, the Special Tab will go away, but you'll still be able to Forge Sharkticons for Sharkticon Crystal shards. There may just not be a way to get more Sharkticons after this,
@KabamMiike, will the sharkticon crystals be available after the event in the raid store like the Knight crystals... but there just more rare?
Quick excel sheet math based upon the #'s reported in this thread indicates ~80 shards per sig level. At 401 shards for fresh 2*, this means that you get ~ the same return in shards for 2 fresh 2* sharks or 1 unleveled sig 5 2* shark. IE You should dupe before forging just to get the "free" gold and ore.
Hooweever, there is a huge outlier data point: the 3/30 sig 13 reported by sysshock for 2310 shards.
The 8 sig level gap between this report and Zapper's reported 3/30 sig 5 would, according to all other data points, be expected to be ~640 points (8*80), but as reported the gap in shards given is almost exactly 2x the expected value at 1279 shards.
So, either it is 80 shards a sig level all the way up and sysshock's report is in error, OR something crazy happens to shards per sig level when 3/30.
Again, I just threw this together so I could be missing or miscalculating something.
Wow, you guys are insanely overcomplicating the calculations, LOL.
Let me give you a couple hints.
When forging BOTS (not sharks) into the SAME CLASS ... there is a 10% bonus. Technically it's not 10% ... it's "10% rounded down" or in a spreadsheet
SameClassPoints = DifferentClassPoints + TRUNC(DifferentClassPoints/10).
ie. 218 = 199 + 19
For the same bot, it's ~20% (mathematically it's not, it's 2x of the added bonus above).
ie. 237 = 199 + 38
Secondly, Sig is calculated as follows:
2* = Sig x 31
3* = Sig x 220
there is a huge outlier data point: the 3/30 sig 13 reported by sysshock for 2310 shards.
The 8 sig level gap between this report and Zapper's reported 3/30 sig 5 would, according to all other data points, be expected to be ~640 points (8*80), but as reported the gap in shards given is almost exactly 2x the expected value at 1279 shards.
This is also what's been confusing me since yesterday. Nothing made sense.. so I'm going to collect my own data, because I think it's an error.
there is a huge outlier data point: the 3/30 sig 13 reported by sysshock for 2310 shards.
The 8 sig level gap between this report and Zapper's reported 3/30 sig 5 would, according to all other data points, be expected to be ~640 points (8*80), but as reported the gap in shards given is almost exactly 2x the expected value at 1279 shards.
This is also what's been confusing me since yesterday. Nothing made sense.. so I'm going to collect my own data, because I think it's an error.
For me, a maxed 2*, sig 10 gives 1,430 shards and sig 11 gives 1,510. So the 80 per sig level sounds accurate to me. That would make maxed with sig 21 give 2,310 (10 more levels).
Awesome, thanks for the data! I think we can safely say the original info was an error. This is clear now.
So the only question that remains @Kabam Miike, can we exchange the shark shards for shark crystals after the event ends? Will they be moved from special tab in to the shard tab or something?
I forged a maxed 3* and got 830 Shards so pretty much 3 or 4 3* gets you a 4* once I get one 4* I ain't grinding anymore I only want one idc which class just want a sharkticon to play with really
Great job @Trailfire , check mail for translated text.
I've noticed a huge cost drop when upgrading from 1/10->2/1, especially for 3* forge fodders. It seems both 2* and 3* are best fed at 2/1?
I forged a maxed 3* and got 830 Shards so pretty much 3 or 4 3* gets you a 4* once I get one 4* I ain't grinding anymore I only want one idc which class just want a sharkticon to play with really
Same, I need to get 3 more 3* sharkticons in order to do it
OK, I think after this is over they're moving the shards from the "special" tab to the normal shard crystal tab. I had a full 2* shark crystal from shards and it was counting it on the shards tab, not the special one.
Sorry I didn't think to take a pic before opening it. Has anyone else noticed this happening?
Yep. Sometimes it doesn't display when you forge. It seems to be a delay calling up the 'items received' graphic, but it doesn't delay putting them into your crystal stash. You might find the 'items received' thingo suddenly appears some time randomly next week, or maybe never. I've had both, and not just with the sharks (although it used to be very rare, and I've had it fail to appear about 15% of the time this week)
I'm pretty confident it's just this kind of weird visual thing, because I take screenshots every time I forge in order to collect the data. Once it happened the first time with sharks, I started including my crystal stash in the screenshots, so I know it was going up even when it looks like I wasn't getting any shards
It seems that you get 100% bonus per bot level within a rank. Bot once you rank up, you lose all the bonuses. So if you are going to forge a bot, it is best to do it at 1/10, 2/20, or 3/30. Somewhere in the middle of the next rank, the higher level bonuses make it worthwhile again, but I haven't done any gold calculations.
However, my duped sig 5 shark gives a 50% bonus on the rank base forge XP, and then add on per level 100% bonuses.
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And a 2 star sharkticon with signature ability level of 20 gives 2000
We already spend enough time exploring and reporting the endless bugs and cheaters to you guys, I don’t think giving us details on an event where so much gold and ore is needed is that much to ask. Such a lazy response to say we need to figure it out on our own.
* The six of 2* Sharks into the normal PBC pool
* Put one 2* as epic reward in away mission.
* 2* Shark (or even shards) as Raid shop daily item
* Yeah, Shark Trial in daily, one week per month.
This is completely ambiguous. I think you are misunderstanding what is being asked, Miike. We get we can still collect shards at any time by forging.. we want to know if we can exchange those shards at our leisure, or if the ability to exchange them into crystals will be removed at the end of the event.
Players want a simple confirmation..Yes or No.
If we don't get a straight answer you may be missing out on potential revenue for players buying gold crystals, sparks and ore to rank these things in time to get 4* sharks.
Sorry, I don't understand. If there's no special tab then how do we use the shark crystal shards to exchange for an actual shark crystal?
Are they going to be merged in to the shard crystal tab? Can we make shark crystals whenever we want or only during this week?
P.s. why are you guys pouring resources? Just forged, or dup+forge .. its.. it's really simple math.
So they're not really playable by any stretch of the imagination, they can be a few extra points in arena and that's it, unless you get a full duped set, and then they're still not particularly playable, rank 3/4/5 materials are still too scarce to warrant putting anything in to a shark team over any normal bots. I'd even rank up an unduped mixmaster over the sharks.
They're 4* in name only. The effort is lower than a regular 4* because the 4* is almost a 3* and duping is basically mandatory.
This event and collecting the sharks is for novelty only (which is a fine purpose, I like it), this is not to increase the power of your roster and give you new 4* options for your teams. If you're missing a particular class bot, this is not the answer.
Don't have any delusions about what these are. These are our pokemon.. gotta catch 'em all.
Hopefully new players don't waste resources on these bots, if it's their 'best' bot they're going to be struggling with content.
I just noticed in game the stats, brawler shark max is 739 atk and 9,993 hp, compared to a regular brawler, primal is 975 atk and 12,392 hp.
But like Remmie said, it is a bit easier to obtain maybe one or two.. but it will only give a bit more points in arena because even though it's a 4*.. the stats are low. Still.. points is points.
I really like the shark alt form.. I'll probably just use them as base fillers.
@KabamMiike, will the sharkticon crystals be available after the event in the raid store like the Knight crystals... but there just more rare?
Hooweever, there is a huge outlier data point: the 3/30 sig 13 reported by sysshock for 2310 shards.
The 8 sig level gap between this report and Zapper's reported 3/30 sig 5 would, according to all other data points, be expected to be ~640 points (8*80), but as reported the gap in shards given is almost exactly 2x the expected value at 1279 shards.
So, either it is 80 shards a sig level all the way up and sysshock's report is in error, OR something crazy happens to shards per sig level when 3/30.
Again, I just threw this together so I could be missing or miscalculating something.
Let me give you a couple hints.
When forging BOTS (not sharks) into the SAME CLASS ... there is a 10% bonus. Technically it's not 10% ... it's "10% rounded down" or in a spreadsheet
SameClassPoints = DifferentClassPoints + TRUNC(DifferentClassPoints/10).
ie. 218 = 199 + 19
For the same bot, it's ~20% (mathematically it's not, it's 2x of the added bonus above).
ie. 237 = 199 + 38
Secondly, Sig is calculated as follows:
2* = Sig x 31
3* = Sig x 220
Have fun
This is also what's been confusing me since yesterday. Nothing made sense.. so I'm going to collect my own data, because I think it's an error.
For me, a maxed 2*, sig 10 gives 1,430 shards and sig 11 gives 1,510. So the 80 per sig level sounds accurate to me. That would make maxed with sig 21 give 2,310 (10 more levels).
So the only question that remains @Kabam Miike, can we exchange the shark shards for shark crystals after the event ends? Will they be moved from special tab in to the shard tab or something?
I’m about 98% sure of these numbers
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I've noticed a huge cost drop when upgrading from 1/10->2/1, especially for 3* forge fodders. It seems both 2* and 3* are best fed at 2/1?
Same, I need to get 3 more 3* sharkticons in order to do it
What a waste.....that was some hefty resources for nothing.
I'm gonna call that a bug, or a delay in the shards arriving to inventory.
Restarting the app should synchronize everything
Sorry I didn't think to take a pic before opening it. Has anyone else noticed this happening?
I'm pretty confident it's just this kind of weird visual thing, because I take screenshots every time I forge in order to collect the data. Once it happened the first time with sharks, I started including my crystal stash in the screenshots, so I know it was going up even when it looks like I wasn't getting any shards
Specifically, you get double the normal forge xp for sig levels of sharks.
The rest of the bot (ranks and levels) seems to get about 5% more than regular bots
However, my duped sig 5 shark gives a 50% bonus on the rank base forge XP, and then add on per level 100% bonuses.