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Buffs for Nemesis Prime (No snark pleaseš)
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Basically NP is a clone of prime right? 90% of the FtF community however feels like he's somewhat disappointing though (probably becuase he's getting compared to G1 Prime).
Now since he's somewhat exclusive right now and not all of us are going to get him, who cares, what do you guys think he *needs* to be better/liked?
Personally for me it's :
25% healing as a normal ability and his Sig something else
Nullifies buffs he copies instead
Armour breaks like U.Magnus with heavys
Now since he's somewhat exclusive right now and not all of us are going to get him, who cares, what do you guys think he *needs* to be better/liked?
Personally for me it's :
25% healing as a normal ability and his Sig something else
Nullifies buffs he copies instead
Armour breaks like U.Magnus with heavys
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Iām not trying to hate, and I say this as nicely as I possibly can, but youāre an idiot if you think Nemesis Prime needs a buff. He has high damage and medium health, he can nullify and copy buffs, is always strengthening his heavy attacks, can apply armor break and attack down on opponents, gains a 7-12 second depending on what your game plan is for your fight, and once heās awakened he heals with his special attacks without fail. Heās the second best bot in the game. HE DOESNT NEED A BUFF. This is the equivalent of saying āhey you know, Megatronus seems like heās getting weak on us, how about after every combo he becomes unstoppable, and weāll make his dark burns drain all the opponents power?ā Why would you buff Nemesis?!
I think when the OP means they've been hearing hate, they probably heard hate on Nemesis prior to making their post. Not talking about the disagreements in this thread.
Maybe. I saw some other people agreeing that Nemesis is already strong enough so I figured he was talking about our responses to that.
If you think Mixmaster actually needs a buff, then you need to learn how to play the game with more skill. He is insanely good.
The only reason why he isn't seen on many rosters is because players are unwilling to learn new Battle tactics. In reality he is one of the best demo bots whether you agree with it or not.
Agreed. All you need with Mixmaster is some patience and minimal evasion skills, and you've got a Bot that can overcome even the Relic of Immortality with a Sp1.
Sorry how is he strongest. Even if u give it to me for free, he will just end up as a rank 2 arena bot....
Tell me what makes him strong? I will give u a counter argument
If u ask pro to give out a list of top 8 bots, he probably wonāt even make it to the list
Look, Ratchet Mixmaster and Hound are fine, every bot in this game is at least usable in most situations. But those three are far and away the worst bots in the game, alongside Demotron. Ratchet is lackluster in appearance stats and abilities(I made an entire thread on it), Hound has very low damage output, Demotron is only above average if you put him on a team with inferior bots, and then we have Mixmaster. For him to put out good damage, you need to either spend a minute running around avoiding being hit while not using special attacks or, if heās awakened, try and land a few perfect blocks, which is not terribly hard but itās not terribly easy either. It takes all that for him to put out damage equal to other demo bots. Galvatron? Dash back and hold block and now all your ranged attacks deal 60% more damage and your critical melees are stronger. Ironhide? Just use your attacks and you naturally boost your critical damage and strengthen your already strong heavy and special attacks. Ramjet? Youāre naturally strong and well armored, you can gain permanent special attack buffs from attacking, and you have some of the games best synergies. Mixmaster needs you to use a different, worse play style to put out damage equal to his peers. He is a passable bot. Passable. I can use him, and I can win matches with him, but itās gonna be less fun, less effective and more time consuming. Same thing applies to using Ratchet or Hound or Demotron. Sure, I can use them, and I do sometimes. But all of them have better counterparts. Need Ratchet for his healing? Use Wheeljack or Jetfire, they canāt heal as good, but they have better defense and offense. Need Demotron or Mixmaster for their damage? Use Ramjet or Galvatron or Ironhide for the above reasons. Hound is at least unique in that heās the only one with his precision ammo, but thatās only useful against Arcee, Windblade, Mirage and Barricade.
You know who else can overcome Relic of Immortality? Soundwaves special 2, Shockwaves special 2, Ratchets special 3, Mirages special 2, Movie Primes special 1, Ironhide special 3, Galvatrons special 2 and special 3, Ramjets special 2 and 3, Waspinators special 3, Tantrums special 3. Relic of Immortality is annoying sure but itās almost never a threat or the reason I lose a match.
High damage and medium health, ability to imitate debuffs, nullify buffs, copy buffs, boost your heavy attack, replace buffs with attack down and armor break, and become unblockable for up to 12 seconds. All that, and you can heal yourself with every special attack if you awaken him. Admittedly, none of these buffs are even all that strong, but thereās no real counter to any of his abilities or him as a character. Thereās his true strength.
Yeah; no thanks.
The skorp + tech console combo is challenging while not being infuriating as a 'certain' other bot with a 'certain' other base mod. More thoughtful upgrades or combos like skorp + tech, less like the ones that are just cheap cash grabs for rekking players, pls.
Hes really really good
I thought it was heals 25% damage dealt with specials?
Not like Megatronus' special 2 whereby it actually steals health
Its difficult to tell since his is hitting and healing/stealing health @ the same time.
Tronuses is easy to see. Since its a separate action.
Probably a glitch
Here we go : Special Attacks restore Nemesis Primeās health for 15~25% of damage dealt.
Solid post right here. The big takeaway is that everything is relative until itās not (choice of the person making their case for a bot). I think we can all agree that every bot has a use so blanket statements like saying ābot X is uselessā are an indicator of personal bias and lack of insight ā the cancer of all Internet forums.
Are you being serious? Go look at some videos of him in action.... his healing ability is just jaw dropping when he lands his SP.
Am I missing something? Since I couldnāt find any awakened Nemesis Prime video yet, I had to choose the videos featuring his Boss fight. From what Iāve seen, his healing doesnāt seem that ājaw droppingā.
Would love to see more Life Steal gameplays from yāall, though
No bot in the game is useless, but many are weaker than other characters. Take Barricade and Scorponok. Barricade gains a crit rate buff for special 3, crit rate buff and the best evade in the game when knocked down, backfire on ranged attacks and special 1, a power steal on special 2, increased critical damage based on his opponents power, and his backfires stack and last longer when heās awakened. Thatās a decent kit to have. But then you have a bot like Scorponok. He can bleed bots easily, buff his high damage and repair health from light medium heavy and ranged attacks with every bar of power gained, daze his opponent, and inflict backfires that stack easier and guarantee either a long stun(2 stacks) or devastating shock damage over a short period of time, damage so strong and fast, even Grimlock can only mitigates half of it. None of this is to say Barricade is weak, he can still hold his own against many characters, though itās normally going to be a pretty even fight. But Scorponok is such a beast to use, using Barricade over him will almost never be tactically viable, especially when comparing their respective teams youāll often find them on. Most Beast Wars bots are among the best in their class(Primal, Rhinox, Cheetor, Scorponok) and have a solid synergy with each other and a great synergy with Primal. Whereas the Movie Cons are either among the weakest in their classes(Demotron, Grindor, Mixmaster) or hovering in the mid to low tier(Barricade, Bonecrusher) and only Demotron gets any good synergies. In fact, Barricade and Grindor have a synergy that works against their skill sets:they power lock the opponent...Grindor, whoās main offensive ability is attacking an opponent with high power, and Barricade, who doesnāt rely on it as much, but is still weakened by it. Youād be better off not using them on the same team, but if you do that, now Demotron is weaker? What kind of sense does that make? And poor Mixmaster, he doesnāt even get an incoming synergy from anyone! He gives out one or two but gets nothing! Heās one of the least effective characters in the game, and he doesnāt even benefit from being with his teammates. Sure, I can use the movie cons. Iāll win missions with them. But it is always less effective and thereās no reason for me to use them over any other team.
Damn I want him but won't šØ
I would choose barricade over scorponok