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Introducing: Signature Bounty Arena

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  • iuJacob wrote: »
    I'm sorry guys, but there is an issue with giving away so many 4-Star shards for too little effort at this time. We're looking at ways that we can address this, but without pushing them completely out of reach for most players (ie. putting them in an even higher Milestone), this is the only solution at this time.

    4-Star Shards should not be an easy reward to come across, and since we've made the changes to Arenas, they have been far more accessible than they should be. At first, players were able to get some by simply Auto-Fighting in arenas for 10ish fights. This was waaaay too little, but even now with the adjusted Rank Rewards, they're still much too easy to get without putting in much effort.

    Additionally, there is currently no place for Commanders to get Signature Upgrades, outside of Sales. This might change in the future, but not right now.


    What this actually means:

    More people were able to obtain Galvatron by spending less money than Kabam was expecting.


    This has no bearing on the Galvatron Arenas, Chips or feature at all.
  • iuJacobiuJacob Posts: 442
    edited November 2017
    Mike, people are talking outside the forum.

    We know that legitimate complaints and other posts about Kabam are being purged.

    I know this isn't your fault specifically, but your employers.

    But at least don't patronize people.

    'I know! It was my favourite arena too!'

    Come on man.

    Also, you should really make an announcement thread about this arena being cancelled and that you guys think people are 'getting 4 stars too easily'.
  • Wow seriously @Kabam Miike it is not easy and it takes alot of time to get 4 stars. We pay a lot of money on this game and you guys add raid and mod arenas that no one plays. Not to mention the ridiculous amount of chips needed to get the 4 star version of featured bots. You guys can not take away the 4 star shard arena cause you know the drop rate through other crystals suck we are lucky if we get a 3 star.
  • iuJacob wrote: »
    Mike, people are talking outside the forum.

    We know about complaints are being purged.

    I know this isn't your fault specifically, but your employers. But at least don't patronize people.

    'I know! It was my favourite arena too!'

    Come on man.

    Of course we have to delete any posts that break the forum rules. This is part of our job on the forums.
  • SynthwaveSynthwave Posts: 1,012
    I echo everyone's sentiments here. Taking out a crystal bounty is a bad idea.

    I'm all for replacing raid arena and mod arena with Signature Bounty and Awakening Bounty (or at least alternating them). That said, In my mind this isn't even going to be a terribly popular arena, as most people aren't even going to want the Signature crystals, as they only increase sig levels by one point. The Awakening ones, however, that can dupe bots I imagine will be very popular. How about starting with an Awakening one instead?
  • iuJacobiuJacob Posts: 442
    iuJacob wrote: »
    Mike, people are talking outside the forum.

    We know about complaints are being purged.

    I know this isn't your fault specifically, but your employers. But at least don't patronize people.

    'I know! It was my favourite arena too!'

    Come on man.

    Of course we have to delete any posts that break the forum rules. This is part of our job on the forums.

    The posts aren't breaking forum rules.
    They are legitimate complaints about changes that alienate your players.


    iuJacob wrote: »
    I'm sorry guys, but there is an issue with giving away so many 4-Star shards for too little effort at this time. We're looking at ways that we can address this, but without pushing them completely out of reach for most players (ie. putting them in an even higher Milestone), this is the only solution at this time.

    4-Star Shards should not be an easy reward to come across, and since we've made the changes to Arenas, they have been far more accessible than they should be. At first, players were able to get some by simply Auto-Fighting in arenas for 10ish fights. This was waaaay too little, but even now with the adjusted Rank Rewards, they're still much too easy to get without putting in much effort.

    Additionally, there is currently no place for Commanders to get Signature Upgrades, outside of Sales. This might change in the future, but not right now.


    What this actually means:

    More people were able to obtain Galvatron by spending less money than Kabam was expecting.


    This has no bearing on the Galvatron Arenas, Chips or feature at all.

    You know exactly what I meant.
    People were getting lots of Galvy shards from duping their 3* and 4* crystals, that the crystal arena helped them obtain.

    You are trying to claim that financial return wasn't a factor in this? Come on.

  • TechTech Posts: 15
    Thanks for giving the community a chance to give input! This is a brilliant move!

    it would be a huge mistake to take away crystal bounty arena. If you feel you are giving out too many 4* shards then change the award brackets or add back milestones or arena chips. I have very little interest in grinding things because there is little gold in it. A simple tweak may give you the desired results you want. Breaking things that people like will not.

    The raid arena is worthless and there seems to be little interest in mod arena.
  • TerminalTerminal Posts: 789
    edited November 2017
    I don't think ease or difficulty is a valid argument. If you wanted the difficulty to be fixed then you should have kept it in milestones.

    Ranks % is naturally fluid and uncontrollable.

    You guys split arena in to three regions. This will have a natural effect on scores required for ranks.

    Simply have milestones like the 320k for feature bot with 500 shards total in it and then over 2 days we have the same thing as before, 1k shards at comparable points which means comparable effort. Problem solved and no complaints.

    Or.. just make it the exact same old 2 day arena with 650k points for milestones?

    Rank rewards for 4* shards right now, compared to the old 2 day arena are in no way shape or form easier, it's completely and utterly false to say so. Far more points are required each day to get close to the old milestone rewards. We can directly compare 2 days to 2 days.

    I somehow doubt a 33% nerf is required on top of the severe nerf we already received to ranks.
  • Quite a few posts misconstruing what this is about I think. It's obviously not about "pushing people back to MCOC" or "too many Galvatrons" or whatever. If I had to guess from what Miike wrote, I'd say the number of players getting 4* bots has shot up far faster than expected (not necessarily the number of 4* bots the most active players are getting), and it accelerates the need to introduce things like 5* bots.

    I'm sure Kabam has good data showing that adding 5* too early just means adding 6* too early. What's "too early"? Well first, it could likely erode the player base through attrition before it even really gets fully going. But worse, and more definitely, the effort to re-design and code all those bots at 5-6* level, while testing how the new stats affect game balance and all the variable mechanics... that costs a lot of hours that could otherwise be spent designing new bots, new event missions, or working on introducing alliance wars or alliance raids or something like that

    Like everyone else, I'm not cool with this announced change, I'm definitely getting fewer 4* shards than I was under the old system, so having even fewer opportunities to get them is not happy days, but let's at least stay focused on likely reality rather than stirring up angst with red herrings
  • iuJacobiuJacob Posts: 442
    So make an announcement thread about why you guys are cancelling the crystal arena. See how it goes over.
  • MaxBebopMaxBebop Posts: 481
    You guys want us to get these signature items outside of sales?

    Here’s an idea, let us purchase them with raid chips, put these items in the raid store, and place a weekly cap on them, one of the things most mmorpg games do is place a cap on certain currency or items to get once every week or every 3 days, this is to keep players playing, these chips will be used to purchase only 3 star sig upgrades, now what about the 4 star ones you ask, they can be purchased with 100 3 star sig upgrades of the same class for one 4star sig upgrade program.

    This way you keep players playing, more people raid and we keep our crystal bounty arena, win win. Come on guys your devs need more imagination (no offense to anyone of you there) you all are working hard to make the game playable and enjoyable and I’m pretty sure I can speak for allot of players out there that we appreciate your efforts, but don’t make changes to things that make players happy to play, find better improvements.
  • CriscoCrisco Posts: 10
    I understand making it a little more difficult for 4 Star Shards taking away any of crystal bounty is not the answer. I recommend the Raid Arena even the Mod arena I like. You have been making it harder than it needs to be for Energon, gold, all Shards have decreased. Maybe we need to start looking at a boycott and bad reviews for app. This game for the most part is exactly what I hoped Contest of Champions could have been. You keep making apparent you all only care for the easy money generator and much less what we think. Maybe we do need a boycott/ protest and get everyone involved and not spend on anything and give bad reviews on app. That had been the only time I have seen that had gotten @Kabam Miike and organization attention!
  • SerapthSerapth Posts: 157
    Gold nerfed, 1 stars removed, 4 stars nerfed then 4 stars nerfed again.
    Crisco wrote: »
    I understand making it a little more difficult for 4 Star Shards taking away any of crystal bounty is not the answer. I recommend the Raid Arena even the Mod arena I like. You have been making it harder than it needs to be for Energon, gold, all Shards have decreased. Maybe we need to start looking at a boycott and bad reviews for app. This game for the most part is exactly what I hoped Contest of Champions could have been. You keep making apparent you all only care for the easy money generator and much less what we think. Maybe we do need a boycott/ protest and get everyone involved and not spend on anything and give bad reviews on app. That had been the only time I have seen that had gotten @Kabam Miike and organization attention!

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  • MeelarMeelar Posts: 12
    @Kabam Miike ,

    Your player base is already displeased because you can’t put out an update without massive bugs or freezes. You guys totally dropped the ball on this update again. Some of your users can’t even play a battle without disconnecting. Oh wait that issue has been around since before the Galvatron update.

    Yet you guys are ignoring those issues and trying to make another poor business decision by taking away a day of one of the arenas which your customers enjoy.

    Then you go about insulting them saying the multiple hours they spend fighting arenas each day is little effort. I don’t know what kind of drugs you are on, but a string of 10 autofights with all 4* isn’t getting you over 300k which isn’t even enough to qualify for 4*shards. You’d be lucky if the ai can even get past 4-5 on its own.

    The only little effort I’m seeing is on Kabaam’s end. It’s just a cash grab. You haven’t been able to fix any of the issues we’ve asked you to. Most of us feel you don’t even want to, as you think we’ll spend to compensate for your deception. Some of these issues have been going on for over a month. How about fixing them before slapping us in the face again and taking something else away from us.







  • That said, I don't like this call at all. I haven't recorded the pace at which I get 4* shards before, but I may begin to do it.
    My impression though, is that I'm getting about 1/3 as many shards as I used to be getting. That's offset by getting the featured bot, which I never considered in the realm of possibility before. I used to be getting 2 4* bots per month from arena if I played solidly. Now it's more like 80% of a 4* per month from arena.

    But, I still got 2 new 4* bots this month: Galvatron from the chips, and Scream from purchased crystals (the HR/Drift deal).

    I guess I dunno what the impact to me personally would be of dropping the crystal bouty arena. I know it's my favourite arena. In fact, here are all the arenas ranked by my personal preference for them:
    1. Crystal
    2. T2A
    3. T3B
    4. Featured bot
    5. Mod
    6. Raid

    That's all of them, right? I think there are too many consecutive featured bot arenas, too few crystal arenas, and waaay too many raid arenas (scrap that already, srsly)

    As for sig.programs, they're cool, and I think it's neat that Kabam is looking at multiple channels to distribute them so that items aren't quarantined to particular game modes (meaning we don't just get bots via arena, but also through raids, events etc; sparks not just via raids, but also arenas, events... ). But, I don't like replacing the one arena I actually look forward to.

    I'd love to see a handful of sig/awakening crystal program shards replace the top milestone of every arena, or every featured bot arena, and start being available through alliance event milestones or rank rewards. I really don't think we need a specialised arena for every item in the game. Just introduce fewer of them in more places. Otherwise, instead of restricting those particular items to specific game modes, you're restricting them to specific days of the month. But if someone can't play more than half an hour that day, now they need to wait a month for the arena to come again? Na~~~, that's not a cool way to arrange it.

    I hope some more thought can go into this one

    (all that said, I love the way Miike manages community interaction, even on this discussion, it's more open and responsive than any other company I've dealt with!)
  • ManthroManthro Posts: 2,752
    edited November 2017
    There is one small part of this that does replace shards, when you stop and think about it.. doesn't replace all of them, but every Sig upgrade you make to a 3* bot is worth 11 4* shards when forging.

    These could add up to a decent number of shards, depending on how many Sig upgrades we can earn.

    I'm definitely not happy about losing a crystal bounty, but I'm interested to see how this might play out.

    Players can potentially earn up to 35 3* Sig upgrades..

    That equals 385 4* shards, unless the superior crystals drop more than one upgrade per spin?
  • I’m not sure why players are surprised at this. Anything that can be done to increase their profit should be expected to be done. Cutting mod arena does nothing since no one plays it nor cares about them since they have yet to make defense important. They can say it has nothing to do with profit but it’s clear by their decision to cut crystal bounty that it is profit based.
  • DrShotgun wrote: »
    This isn't good....so I read Mike's argument as "we need a way to make more money"....who cares how "easy" it is to get 4* shards when we can't get the resources to get them past rank 3? Sounds to me like you're doing whatever you want and screw the players. The changes you're doing have been an improvement but man when you guys screw up you do it in a grandiose style.
    Get ready for the **** storm because people are PISSED about this.

    I agree and I don't see Mike's point because no matter how many 4 stars we have it's so hard to get t2 alphas
    I'm sorry guys, but there is an issue with giving away so many 4-Star shards for too little effort at this time. We're looking at ways that we can address this, but without pushing them completely out of reach for most players (ie. putting them in an even higher Milestone), this is the only solution at this time.

    4-Star Shards should not be an easy reward to come across, and since we've made the changes to Arenas, they have been far more accessible than they should be. At first, players were able to get some by simply Auto-Fighting in arenas for 10ish fights. This was waaaay too little, but even now with the adjusted Rank Rewards, they're still much too easy to get without putting in much effort.

    Additionally, there is currently no place for Commanders to get Signature Upgrades, outside of Sales. This might change in the future, but not right now.

    Mike doesn't matter how "easy" it is to get 4 stars now when it's even harder to get t2 alphas.
  • DrShotgunDrShotgun Posts: 2,157
    Hey Mike....look^^ The people that play the game and pay the bills arent happy with this change.
  • I know I commented earlier in thread, but just realized how much I’ve been slowed down by the recent changes. When we changed arenas to 1 day schedule with the region & time change, my output went down.... resulting in less 4* shards. I gave you props for the feature bot idea as there was no way for me to get in top 5 in arena. If I’m being further restricted in getting 4* shards to where I’m only getting feature bot and one other 4* a month, I seriously wonder if you think you can keep your player base with that type of progress. (According to some they wouldn’t even get the feature 4*)

    I’m not sure what other normal players are like, but I imagine they have a job/ school and family that they need to spend time with. I know some consider me to be above the “normal” player, but I think I’m a pretty average player as far as time spent in a gaming app. (In comparison to all other gaming apps, and I’ve been gaming for over 20 years in all sorts of platforms).
  • Mufc14Mufc14 Posts: 643
    So the top 10 get 5 4* crystals, the other 10000 get zero 4* crystals.
    Awesome
  • The new arena sounds great! But.... ditch the mod arena, that has to be the least played
  • WolfeWolfe Posts: 80
    Guess I will play even less now. I’m starting to regret money spent.
  • I for one am done spending on this game and it’s pure money grab it’s so similar to earth wars and there crap drop rates. 1 stars shards have been phased out, they lied and said let’s take out the arena chips earned so it doesn’t confuse players yet still have them on th daily missions.

    They cut the amount of gold earned in the arenas and lied by saying it will be similar.
    They are making it harder to forge bots by giving less shards less gold.
    They cut the gold from arenas earned from raid chips but yet kept the cost of the AM the same but can’t figure out how to debug there own coding.

    Now on top of all that crap they are cutting the 4* shards because according to bad PR Mike from Kabaam they are to easy for which the obvious reply is get your but online and in the arena without cheating yourself and see how “easy it is” considering the massive time sink that’s involved to get into the 1-10% range.

    The worst part you ask your community what they think and kabaam and worthless mike would be fired in the real world PR thinks and basically tell you that you don’t know what your talking about and go pound sand and we are going to do it anyways.

    I am done and it spending 1 more dollar on to the next game not owned or run or partnerships with kabaam/hasboro ie hasbeen

    ✌️
  • ZL88ZL88 Posts: 4
    Like many others have said. This is truly just them saying we need a way to make more money and don't want to players to advance by playing. They could just do with the auto fights and then there would be more effort involved. I would have way more respect if you just came out and said we want people to spend more. You are a business that makes total sense but don't bs us bout it.
    Haha it's too easy for players to get 4* shards. Hahaha come on.
  • I'll be the one too support this.

    So if I'm understanding it right, you're replacing one of the 3 day crystal bounty arenas for sigs.

    As long as it's just one of the days I don't really see the problem. I'd just assure people that they're will be other ways to get 4 star shards in the future along with the fact that you'll be over hauling the raid and mod arenas.

    Also throw the community a bone or 2 on gold and what not.

    Once again, try and make people see the bigger picture cause atm the only people that this change benefits are people like myself with a bunch of 4 stars. And I'm well aware I'm one of the few.
  • Totherkins wrote: »
    I'll be the one too support this.
    (...)
    Once again, try and make people see the bigger picture cause atm the only people that this change benefits are people like myself with a bunch of 4 stars. And I'm well aware I'm one of the few.

    Well good luck with that.

    That is not what I see. What I see is that they ask for “our opinion”, while being well aware that no one was gonna like this. Their mind is already set lol, do you really think they wanted our opinion, have there been any sort of changes so far haha and by following up with this
    [(...) (I know, it's my favourite too)[/color]

    Yeah.......... I am absolutely sure they wanted our opinions lol

    There have been no indications there will be changes based on what people write, so why ask lol. Oh Thank you great Kabam, for letting me voice my opinion, while it will have no effect. I am so happy!
  • I'm sorry guys, but there is an issue with giving away so many 4-Star shards for too little effort at this time. We're looking at ways that we can address this, but without pushing them completely out of reach for most players (ie. putting them in an even higher Milestone), this is the only solution at this time.

    4-Star Shards should not be an easy reward to come across, and since we've made the changes to Arenas, they have been far more accessible than they should be. At first, players were able to get some by simply Auto-Fighting in arenas for 10ish fights. This was waaaay too little, but even now with the adjusted Rank Rewards, they're still much too easy to get without putting in much effort.

    Additionally, there is currently no place for Commanders to get Signature Upgrades, outside of Sales. This might change in the future, but not right now.




    First you guys thought you are giving too much gold lets cut it down to 1/10th .
    Player are stupid they will forget it eventually.

    Now kabam came to know they are giving to many shards that and they are very easily accessible. Wow.

    Hate you all with your reward system @Kabam Miike .[/color][/quote]
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